136.2 Beyond the Mic: The Realities of Co-hosting with Dr. Kristine of The Kris and Kristine Show

136.2 Beyond the Mic: The Realities of Co-hosting with Dr. Kristine of The Kris and Kristine Show

One key element that can elevate a podcast to success is the dynamic between dual hosts. Crafting a positive podcast dynamic requires careful consideration of various factors such as getting to know each other, defining roles and responsibilities, effective communication, authenticity, and navigating challenges.

  1. Getting to Know Each Other: The foundation of a successful dual-hosted podcast lies in the hosts' understanding of each other. Take the time to delve into each other's backgrounds, interests, and personal experiences. A strong personal connection will not only foster camaraderie but will also contribute to a more natural and engaging conversation. Share anecdotes, discuss shared interests, and establish a genuine friendship, as this connection will resonate with your audience.
  2. Roles and Responsibilities: Clearly defined roles and responsibilities are essential for avoiding confusion and ensuring a seamless podcasting experience. Discuss and outline each host's strengths, interests, and areas of expertise. Establishing who leads the conversation, manages technical aspects, and handles social media promotion can help create a well-organized and efficient workflow. By recognizing each other's strengths, hosts can complement one another, providing a more balanced and diverse perspective for the audience.
  3. Communication: Effective communication is the backbone of any successful partnership. Regularly check in with each other to discuss the podcast's direction, potential topics, and overall goals. Set up a communication channel, whether it be through regular meetings, messaging apps, or shared documents, to facilitate collaboration. Transparent communication ensures that both hosts are on the same page and helps prevent misunderstandings that may arise during live recordings.
  4. Authenticity: Authenticity is the key to connecting with your audience. Listeners appreciate hosts who are genuine, relatable, and true to themselves. Embrace your unique personalities, quirks, and perspectives. Authenticity fosters a connection with your audience, making them feel like they are part of an honest and authentic conversation. Share personal stories, experiences, and even vulnerabilities to create a more profound connection with your listeners.
  5. Navigating Challenges: No partnership is without its challenges. Disagreements may arise, technical difficulties may occur, or external factors may impact the podcast's flow. Establish a protocol for resolving conflicts, whether it's through open communication, compromise, or seeking external advice. Embrace challenges as opportunities for growth and improvement, and learn from each experience to strengthen your podcasting dynamic.

Crafting a positive podcast dynamic with dual hosts involves a thoughtful combination of getting to know each other, defining roles and responsibilities, fostering effective communication, embracing authenticity, and navigating challenges. By investing time in building a strong foundation, dual hosts can create a podcast that not only resonates with their audience but also stands the test of time. Remember, the synergy between hosts is the heartbeat of a successful podcast, and when done right, it can lead to a truly memorable and impactful listening experience.

Thanks so much for listening, I really appreciate it so much. If you need any help with your podcast, feel free to reach out. My email is podtasticaudio@gmail.com

[00:00.000 --> 00:29.960] When you do a co-hosted podcast there are more things that you need to think about other than just whose microphone is which. So today I'm bringing on Christine to talk about what we've gone through on the Chris and Christine show trying to figure out whose role is what and figure out this whole thing about podcasting sound matters be heard. Welcome to the podcast where you get exclusive behind the scenes tips to make your own. [00:29.960 --> 00:57.960] The show sounds truly spectacular. This is Podtastic Audio. Hey, what's happening? How are you doing today? Thank you so much for being here. I am Chris and I am from the original Chris and Christine show podcast. And this is Podtastic Audio, the show that I've created to help you. Yes, you create an amazing sounding podcast for your audience. [00:57.960 --> 01:15.960] Let's deliver the magic. And here I am delivering it to you. And speaking of magic, you'll mix the Chris and Christine show. So fantastic. I know you're probably thinking it's probably Chris, but also better than just Chris alone. We have Christine now wouldn't be Chris and Christine without Christine. [01:15.960 --> 01:20.560] So why don't I bring Christine into the studio to discuss. How you doing today, Christine? [01:20.560 --> 01:26.800] Oh, surprise everybody. I'm actually here. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here with you today. [01:26.800 --> 01:32.600] Yeah, I got you live in the flash. We worked at the deal. Talk to our who is with your agent. [01:32.600 --> 01:38.240] My agent, you know, I know you came in a little bit lowball estimate, but I'm glad we were able [01:38.240 --> 01:43.680] to come to an agreement and, you know, thanks for, you know, coughing up the coin. [01:43.680 --> 01:48.320] And speaking of coughing up the coin, I think coffee was the coin every morning to have you [01:48.320 --> 02:02.320] on the show. Yeah. You know, I think about that when we have coffee in the mornings is I wonder what it would be like if we just put a microphone between the two of us and just literally recorded everything that we talk about in the morning. [02:02.320 --> 02:06.320] It's so random, but could you actually make an episode out of it? [02:06.320 --> 02:14.920] I think some people actually do. They try to, you know, podcasting. People can podcast about whatever they want or anything they want. And sometimes they do. [02:14.920 --> 02:28.920] And I know that during the great days of 2020, COVID days, everybody was locked down, just bored, talking about whatever and, of course, doing the whole zoom chats and all kinds of funsy stuff, you know, a lot of shows kind of went down that path. [02:28.920 --> 02:44.880] Right. Not many of them are around today, but they pod faded. They did the old pod. Well, we haven't pod faded. We're still here. We haven't in. Yeah. I mean, we definitely haven't faded and, you know, the fact that I'm here with you. [02:44.880 --> 02:53.880] In the flesh, talking and doing yet another episode this week should just speak to my commitment to you, my trusty cohost. [02:53.880 --> 03:05.880] Oh, well, thank you so much. You know, speaking of podcasting, you know, there's probably, I would say maybe like three different styles of podcast that people probably can do three different formats, really. [03:06.880 --> 03:28.880] There is the solo format was just one person talking directly into a microphone, just delivering the goods. Just one person, you know, usually those episodes are a lot shorter than like longer hour or two hour interview style shows, which brings you to interview shows, which are the second, like, I would say, popular format to do a podcast [03:28.880 --> 03:37.880] or it's, you know, you talking into a microphone or whatever, and you have a guest coming in through either a zoom call or something like those sorts. [03:37.880 --> 03:45.880] And you were taping the whole thing and you have a conversation asking questions, you know, all the great usual stuff you see with a interview style podcast. [03:46.880 --> 04:03.880] And the third style, I would say what we're doing, like right now today is a cohosted style of a podcast where there's two people on the same show talking about something that they, you know, are into or maybe they're not into, but it's a cohosted podcast. [04:03.880 --> 04:14.880] Yeah, I think that one of the ones that I'm thinking about right now that's most popular that everybody's been talking about on social media are the Kelsey brothers, Travis and Jason Kelsey. [04:14.880 --> 04:19.880] Yeah. And they do a remotely cohosted podcast. [04:19.880 --> 04:25.880] And I think there's this mostly video, but do they upload the audio only to podcast platforms? [04:25.880 --> 04:27.880] Yeah, I would think they do. Yeah. [04:27.880 --> 04:29.880] Do you think they produce it themselves? [04:29.880 --> 04:30.880] Probably not. [04:30.880 --> 04:32.880] I think you get to some level. [04:32.880 --> 04:35.880] You probably just roll in here and just say, where's my microphone? [04:35.880 --> 04:37.880] My microphone's set up correctly. [04:37.880 --> 04:38.880] Where's my headphones? [04:38.880 --> 04:39.880] What have I got to do? [04:39.880 --> 04:43.880] And they just sit down and talk and then they just walk out. [04:43.880 --> 04:46.880] Actually, Jason Kelsey does it at his house. [04:46.880 --> 04:53.880] Okay. Well, he has a studio because he's pulled in his little girls before and they've been like, it's around bedtime. [04:53.880 --> 04:54.880] So I do know that. [04:54.880 --> 05:02.880] But yeah, I get the concept of like, they probably have a team that's helping them with like the production aspect of it in some way. [05:02.880 --> 05:12.880] Yeah, I think a lot of shows that have money or at least people have money to do this kind of stuff that I've seen, even the independent shows, they will have like they'll come in. [05:12.880 --> 05:16.880] They'll have their gear, their camera work, everything set up and they will do their show. [05:16.880 --> 05:18.880] But yeah, they send it off to a team. [05:18.880 --> 05:22.880] Now, this team that works on the editing, they may not even be in the United States. [05:22.880 --> 05:29.880] They could be somewhere else overseas and they get all of the video and audio and they chop it up and put little segments together. [05:29.880 --> 05:36.880] Yeah, but you know what's unique about all of our shows and the shows that are on our website and everything. [05:36.880 --> 05:38.880] And I don't know if everybody realizes this. [05:38.880 --> 05:44.880] I'm going to like humble brag right now is you actually do all of that work for us. [05:44.880 --> 05:47.880] You produce this podcast episode. [05:47.880 --> 06:01.880] You produce the ones for your clients and you produce the Chris and Christine show and you do all of the recording and all of the editing and all of the post production and all of the promoting. [06:02.880 --> 06:07.880] And I get to just show up and shine. [06:07.880 --> 06:11.880] That's why you are the VIP show. You're like a celebrity of the show. [06:11.880 --> 06:16.880] Well, we thought for today as you and I were talking a little bit about Podtastic Audio. [06:16.880 --> 06:30.880] One of the things that would be fun to chat about is like how do you how do you run an effective podcast when you have a co-host because any time that you have two people involved with something. [06:30.880 --> 06:35.880] It takes a certain amount of teamwork and coordination. [06:35.880 --> 06:39.880] And let's be real. It's not for everybody. [06:39.880 --> 06:46.880] There are certain people that the single person podcast is probably the better route for them or the interview podcast. [06:46.880 --> 06:54.880] But as I was looking at my Facebook memories, we've actually been at this for four and a half years now. [06:54.880 --> 06:55.880] Can you believe that? [06:55.880 --> 06:58.880] Wow. Four and a half years doing this podcasting thing. [06:58.880 --> 06:59.880] I know. [06:59.880 --> 07:16.880] And so we've had to go through a real growth process on how to effectively do this in a way that actually brings people in to our life and our story. [07:16.880 --> 07:30.880] And how do we as co-hosts do things like facilitating interviews because it's not like we just show up and turn on the recordings and go at it cold like there's a there's a different coordination. [07:30.880 --> 07:42.880] So I know you have some things you want us to talk about like what is it that that makes us like makes our dynamic work. [07:42.880 --> 07:56.880] But I thought that maybe we could start off before we get into your list about like, how do we how do we work together? What did it take to get to know each other in our style so that we could be effective. [07:56.880 --> 08:08.880] Well, listen, first off, I'm always still working on it. You know, it's not perfect. You know, trying to figure out the different cues on who's going to say what and this kind of thing and always works best when you are physically in the same room. [08:08.880 --> 08:16.880] And versus like a zoom call or something like that. There's just something to it. Like being physically present in the same space with another person talking. [08:16.880 --> 08:22.880] It always trumps like any other format, whether it's phone call or a zoom call, things like that. That helps out. [08:22.880 --> 08:29.880] As far as knowing the person, it does help to really kind of understand the person you're going to have. If it's going to be a co-host, you really got to know them. [08:30.880 --> 08:38.880] And you got to know like, who's role is with the show? Like, who's kind of going to do what part who's not going to do this? Who's going to do that? [08:38.880 --> 08:45.880] You know, it's always kind of power struggle sometimes because we do have two people with like dominating personalities. [08:45.880 --> 08:47.880] What are you saying about me? [08:47.880 --> 08:53.880] On the microphone. And you're both kind of like struggling for like mic time, I would say. [08:53.880 --> 09:00.880] You have to figure out where to balance that out because there's going to be a time when if you do a co-host and show one of the co-hosts are going to be want more. [09:00.880 --> 09:04.880] Let's just say a ball hog or a mic hog than the other. You know what I'm saying? [09:04.880 --> 09:22.880] I think that's your perspective is that it's about like jocking for position. And I would say that that's something that we have had to negotiate around because it like I don't intentionally need to be heard. [09:22.880 --> 09:27.880] There's times when I want to be able to contribute a point. [09:27.880 --> 09:32.880] But early, let's like go back float back in our podcasting journey. [09:32.880 --> 09:40.880] We had to before each episode when we first got started before, well, because I think it's important context. [09:40.880 --> 09:47.880] We started this podcast after we'd been together for only what had we even been together for a year? I think we had been. [09:47.880 --> 09:49.880] Yeah, probably about a year. [09:49.880 --> 09:54.880] Yeah, because we started it in August. And so we started dating in June the year prior. [09:54.880 --> 10:01.880] So we were still very early in our relationship of learning our cues. [10:01.880 --> 10:12.880] We weren't living together. We were seeing each other mostly on the weekends and our relationship at that time was lived on the weekends because you were working during the week. [10:12.880 --> 10:25.880] I was working during the week. And so it was this, you know, starting doing the podcast, me feeling a little bit miffed about like, it's taking quality time away from us doing other things. [10:25.880 --> 10:29.880] And I don't want to do this work, but I didn't want to let you down. [10:29.880 --> 10:32.880] And I was still trying to be like the sweet girlfriend and impressing you. [10:32.880 --> 10:35.880] Oh, really? Oh, I was trying to. [10:35.880 --> 10:50.880] But then what started to happen was that for some reason, and this was my perspective, so I could be completely wrong, is it you started to try and compete with me for my time. [10:50.880 --> 10:57.880] And then like when we started to have guests, there would be this, well, who's going to do the intro. [10:57.880 --> 11:06.880] And we had to make sure we alternated it every other time because you got very upset when you thought I was doing the intro more than you. [11:06.880 --> 11:10.880] Can you talk a little bit about that? Like, what was it that made you feel threatened? [11:10.880 --> 11:26.880] Well, okay. Well, why don't I feel threatened? I just felt like that maybe if we're going to be a team on this, you know, if it's going to be you and me, the co-hosted team, a balance beam of the show that I think it should balance out where it wouldn't be all of this or [11:26.880 --> 11:36.880] all that, all of you leading or all of me leading, it would be an even balance of both. So I say, well, if you did it last week, I should do it this week, and then so on and so forth. That's the way I was looking at it. [11:36.880 --> 11:40.880] And how have we evolved since then? I pretty much let you do it now. [11:40.880 --> 11:55.880] And the reason for that is because what we started to realize was by having you have to prepare to do the guest intro, it was keeping you from being focused on the technical stuff, which was impacting you. [11:55.880 --> 12:10.880] Which was impacting our ability to have all of the audio dialed in, and by me being able to take on the intro, it allowed you to cue the applause that we incorporate. [12:10.880 --> 12:13.880] Those are real people we bring in the studio, honey. You know, we... [12:13.880 --> 12:22.880] I know, but you still have to, you know, you have to cue them with the applause card, you know, right? You have to like raise that up like they do and like Jimmy Fallon. [12:22.880 --> 12:32.880] But you have to be able to cue the applause and make sure that the guest comes in and they're okay, and there's no like mic bleed. [12:32.880 --> 12:45.880] And then when we were alternating and you were having to like turn around and like click something on the keyboard and come back, you'd end up like hitting the microphone sometimes, and then you have to edit that out. [12:46.880 --> 13:02.880] It was a clunky mess. We try to like juggle things because what we do our podcasting in this room here is that the computer and the Roadcaster Pro and all the gear and equipment, when we were talking like right now, it's all directly behind me. [13:02.880 --> 13:07.880] So I'm supposed to be controlling these things and it's behind me so I can face you. [13:07.880 --> 13:18.880] When I do a solo show or I'm doing an interview solo show or interview a client show or whatever, I'm sitting at the desk. I'm physically facing the desk. I'm at the computer desk and I can run all the controls live in real time. [13:18.880 --> 13:27.880] But when I'm trying to do an interview show and talk to you at the same time and all the gears behind me and operate it behind me, it's a little dance. [13:27.880 --> 13:33.880] It's got to swivel the chair around. You got to make sure you don't bump nothing. You got to make sure that everything is like, you know, where it's supposed to be. [13:33.880 --> 13:46.880] Make sure you record. That's a big one. Right. And so when we do co-host together, when you're facing me, I'm facing the screen so I can see it behind you. [13:46.880 --> 13:55.880] I'm keeping track of the time. I can see it over there. I have pretty good eyesight. I'm making sure that all of the different buttons are pushed. [13:56.880 --> 14:02.880] And I let you know if the computer is starting to fall asleep, I have a little signal where I'll tell you to wake it up. [14:02.880 --> 14:12.880] But we've had to figure out that routine because we did get to a point where it was like, well, you have to be able to do the technical stuff. [14:12.880 --> 14:22.880] And to do that, you had to be willing to give up a little bit of that power of having to switch off doing the intro. [14:22.880 --> 14:39.880] And once you got to that point of realizing that it wasn't about me trying to hog the mic, but it was actually better for the podcast for you to do that, I feel like that feeling of competition went away. [14:40.880 --> 14:53.880] You just were like, OK, well, this is just the way that it needs to be. And so we have evolved as hosts as we've gotten to know each other as well. [14:53.880 --> 14:58.880] We have movements and cues and visuals and things like that. [14:58.880 --> 15:02.880] Oh, I remember our little keep, our little visual. What are those? [15:02.880 --> 15:04.880] Oh, the little paddles. We had these little. [15:04.880 --> 15:06.880] I still have them. They were like a little whiteboard. [15:06.880 --> 15:11.880] Yeah, they were miniature whiteboards with a little Sharpie. What the whiteboard Sharpie thing you write on. [15:11.880 --> 15:17.880] And we would write on them dry erase boards. And so we each had like two or three of them. [15:17.880 --> 15:22.880] We held we had written up and basically wrote on them. What were the things we wrote on them? [15:22.880 --> 15:26.880] Was it like I have a question or my turn or something? [15:26.880 --> 15:28.880] Usually it was basically like I have a question. [15:28.880 --> 15:35.880] Yeah, it was like, yeah, it was like I have a question and we really did have to figure out what our roles were. [15:35.880 --> 15:42.880] I think that's what that comes down to is like who was going to facilitate. [15:42.880 --> 15:48.880] I think at that point, we didn't have clear roles. It was we were just trying to do sharing is caring. [15:48.880 --> 15:54.880] Everything down the middle and you know, oh, make sure that you get to ask a question. [15:54.880 --> 15:59.880] I get to ask a question and it was like kind of a ping pong. [15:59.880 --> 16:02.880] Well, that's what it was for their first guest. We did remember. [16:02.880 --> 16:07.880] Oh my gosh, I know. Well, the first guest I had to do by myself because you were working. [16:07.880 --> 16:11.880] But yes, our first guest together. Do you remember? [16:11.880 --> 16:14.880] I think didn't we sit in the closet to do that or something? [16:14.880 --> 16:18.880] No, we did not. We did it like we did now, but we did it in the old house, of course. [16:18.880 --> 16:24.880] But that was when we had an entire script of questions written out line for line word for word. [16:24.880 --> 16:29.880] We did not. I don't think we ever deviated from that list of questions. [16:29.880 --> 16:34.880] It was Kristin Beck, right? Yes. And it was Chris and Christine. [16:34.880 --> 16:41.880] And it had like says, Christine and your line and Chris and my line and it went alternating down the line. [16:41.880 --> 16:46.880] And I don't think they ever really we may have jumped off script a little bit during the interview process. [16:46.880 --> 16:52.880] Because we should do a more of a natural flow to the questions and to the conversation, which what we did. [16:52.880 --> 16:57.880] But I was so nervous. I remember that first interview and we did it together. [16:57.880 --> 17:00.880] After we did it, I thought it went very well. I felt very excited. [17:00.880 --> 17:03.880] I think it got the bug of the interview bug. [17:03.880 --> 17:06.880] So, you know what? That was episode 23. [17:06.880 --> 17:11.880] And it was a year ago or four years ago last week because it came up on my Facebook. [17:11.880 --> 17:12.880] Oh, no way. Yeah. [17:12.880 --> 17:18.880] So when we think of that, if you go back and you listen to that, it should be episode 23 with Krista Beck. [17:18.880 --> 17:22.880] And the episode artwork has like this like green and blue and all that. [17:22.880 --> 17:29.880] But if you listen to that, you'll notice that we were just trying to figure out our roles of incorporating interviews. [17:29.880 --> 17:38.880] Before that, we were doing like lists and current events and we hadn't really found our niche within the podcasting flow. [17:38.880 --> 17:47.880] I think that what you'll notice with our episode now is they feel a lot more free flowing. [17:47.880 --> 17:54.880] And I think that's because our roles and interviews have morphed a little bit. [17:54.880 --> 18:05.880] We and we even tell this to our guests before we start recording, which is I like to be like, I'll research and I like to have a couple of questions in my head. [18:05.880 --> 18:09.880] And try to help like dig deep into the conversation. [18:09.880 --> 18:13.880] And you know that like I'm going to ask them a question that gets them to go deep. [18:13.880 --> 18:20.880] And then once they go deep, you like to like ask the questions that build off of the details. [18:20.880 --> 18:24.880] And like helps us keep rolling forward. [18:24.880 --> 18:29.880] Like I can help trigger the deep conversation, but you keep it moving along. [18:29.880 --> 18:32.880] Well, thank you. That's what I do best. Keep it moving or wrong, maybe. [18:32.880 --> 18:35.880] Not moving or wrong moving along. [18:35.880 --> 18:36.880] That too. [18:36.880 --> 18:37.880] That too. [18:37.880 --> 18:57.880] But in terms of responsibilities when it comes to podcasting, I think this is where we had a little bit of friction because there was a time where just the podcasting itself and the responsibility of having to do it every week felt like it was too much. [18:58.880 --> 19:09.880] You know, that's good goes to burnout to it because you burnt out very easily, especially if you just feel like you have to produce something every week just because it is the Oh, it's every Wednesday. [19:09.880 --> 19:10.880] We released an episode. [19:10.880 --> 19:13.880] So we have to get something out here this Tuesday night. [19:13.880 --> 19:14.880] I don't know what I'm going to do. [19:14.880 --> 19:25.880] It's just throwing somebody on the show and talk about who knows what and because we are co hosts that are also in a relationship and at the time early on we were dating. [19:25.880 --> 19:27.880] We weren't even engaged yet. [19:27.880 --> 19:29.880] Well, we got engaged really early on. [19:29.880 --> 19:32.880] That was like episode eight. [19:32.880 --> 19:33.880] Right. [19:33.880 --> 19:35.880] And we announced. [19:35.880 --> 19:37.880] I'm glad you know these these numbers. [19:37.880 --> 19:38.880] Oh, yeah. [19:38.880 --> 19:54.880] You see, you think that I don't pay attention, but I remember the podcast has milestones, but yeah, we, we were engaged and, you know, what, what we didn't have is like this clear. [19:54.880 --> 20:00.880] Picture of like where we wanted the podcast to go long term. [20:00.880 --> 20:01.880] And so. [20:01.880 --> 20:05.880] There was this need to produce something every week. [20:05.880 --> 20:12.880] And after I'd been working all week for you, it was so exciting and new and fresh and you thought it was fun. [20:12.880 --> 20:15.880] And for me, it felt like we're. [20:15.880 --> 20:18.880] And that for a while was. [20:19.880 --> 20:33.880] Pretty hard because when we talk about responsibilities, like the responsibilities of keeping the podcast going, you would want me to do different things like research and put an outline together. [20:33.880 --> 20:36.880] And what was my attitude like during that time. [20:36.880 --> 20:41.880] I think at first you were excited to do it because you were talking like early days, the podcast. [20:42.880 --> 20:52.880] You were all on board with setting things up like sit the Facebook page up and different things would say and really got into in a while. But, you know, those kind of things and setting the social media up and figuring out the different. [20:52.880 --> 20:58.880] I think even did the artwork at first started doing that kind of stuff and even creating some of the outlines and things and. [20:58.880 --> 21:08.880] But then you didn't like what I was doing and that for me was very hurtful because we hadn't clearly delineated like. [21:09.880 --> 21:14.880] If I was going to do something, then you needed to trust me to do it. You. [21:14.880 --> 21:18.880] It was a baby to you like it was your baby. And so. [21:18.880 --> 21:19.880] It. [21:19.880 --> 21:25.880] It became a, I wouldn't say a power struggle, but it became a point of tension to where it made me. [21:25.880 --> 21:27.880] A bit unmotivated. [21:27.880 --> 21:32.880] And so we had some like deep conversations around. [21:32.880 --> 21:36.880] How do we get things back on track? [21:36.880 --> 21:41.880] And what ended up happening is you just had to you loosened up a bit. [21:41.880 --> 21:49.880] You know, I did. It took me a while to get there. But, you know, that's why podcast audio kind of came out probably around the same time. [21:49.880 --> 22:02.880] It will also people were asking me questions about how you and I were doing the show like how we're creating it, especially with the gas because a lot of at the time, anyways, a lot of these shows that would bring on guests never didn't didn't sound very good. [22:02.880 --> 22:05.880] And some of the co hosted shows didn't sound good either. [22:05.880 --> 22:15.880] You know, they sounded like, you know, like horrible, you know, nonsense, you know, blue yeti microphones next room, echo city, you know, all that kind of, all that kind of nonsense. [22:15.880 --> 22:19.880] And, and people are asking me questions. How do you make it sound so great? [22:19.880 --> 22:22.880] So, so I say, well, let me create another show podcast. [22:22.880 --> 22:30.880] Audio. This one right here, they kind of show what we have done on our show, kind of walk through the steps of things that I have we have done to make sure it sounded great. [22:30.880 --> 22:33.880] And, and it was a great physically great show. [22:33.880 --> 22:39.880] And I think one of the highest compliments I ever got from somebody was recently they said that the Chris Christine show. [22:39.880 --> 22:46.880] They didn't think that the Chris Christine show was an independent podcast because it sounded too professional. [22:46.880 --> 22:49.880] Oh, wow. That's a very nice compliment. [22:49.880 --> 22:52.880] It is. And I'm like, really? Wow. Okay. Yeah. [22:52.880 --> 22:57.880] So, but I always thought too, is that like, well, remember, we're using basic equipment. [22:57.880 --> 23:00.880] We were not using the broadcast. We were using this microphone. [23:00.880 --> 23:08.880] No, I even still see my original mic stand over there with all of my rhinestone bling around it that I was hot gluing together. [23:08.880 --> 23:12.880] Yes, because rhinestones hot glue to a mic stand makes all the difference. [23:12.880 --> 23:15.880] It does. It does. [23:15.880 --> 23:24.880] But, you know, what it really breaks down to is that we had to figure out at the very beginning, like how to communicate effectively. [23:24.880 --> 23:31.880] And in those first few months, and I would even say like the first year and a half. [23:31.880 --> 23:37.880] Maybe even the first two, I would say first two and a half years is. [23:37.880 --> 23:44.880] There was a lot of arguing when it came to the podcast and what it I would just. [23:45.880 --> 23:53.880] I would have so much dread about the podcast because I just knew that there was going to be a fight. [23:53.880 --> 24:00.880] And it was because we were trying to constantly that I had burnout. I was burned out at work. [24:00.880 --> 24:02.880] And this was all pre pandemic. [24:02.880 --> 24:11.880] And then, you know, trying to figure out what kind of content to produce because we both have very different lenses on the world. [24:11.880 --> 24:17.880] And you would have one idea and I'd have one idea and they'd be in direct conflict with each other. [24:17.880 --> 24:21.880] And then it's like a power play. And that was hard. [24:21.880 --> 24:24.880] And then also our schedules were also completely different too. [24:24.880 --> 24:26.880] Remember you working days and I was working nights. [24:26.880 --> 24:27.880] I was still working. [24:27.880 --> 24:28.880] It's still kind of the same thing. [24:28.880 --> 24:29.880] Right. [24:29.880 --> 24:32.880] But it was on I think it was Saturday or Sunday nights. [24:32.880 --> 24:33.880] We were doing it. [24:33.880 --> 24:37.880] Do you remember that with some nights we were up to like at least I was up to like three two in the morning. [24:37.880 --> 24:38.880] You would. [24:38.880 --> 24:39.880] Yeah. [24:39.880 --> 24:49.880] So it was really hard to set boundaries because once we got further in and we had been engaged and then we were getting closer to the wedding. [24:49.880 --> 24:58.880] And I had moved in the at the time the podcasting studio was in the master suite. [24:58.880 --> 25:06.880] And there wasn't a wall in between where you sat to do the producing and the bedroom. [25:06.880 --> 25:10.880] And I would have to prepare to get up for work the next day. [25:10.880 --> 25:15.880] And you would be like, Oh, I really, really need to get this out tonight. [25:15.880 --> 25:19.880] And this still drives me crazy to this day. [25:19.880 --> 25:21.880] But you refuse. [25:21.880 --> 25:25.880] It literally goes against everything that like the industry says. [25:25.880 --> 25:30.880] You refuse to wear headphones when you're doing editing of a podcast. [25:30.880 --> 25:33.880] And I would be trying to fall asleep. [25:33.880 --> 25:36.880] And I will never forget this one night. [25:36.880 --> 25:40.880] You had it like literally at the highest volume and it was. [25:40.880 --> 25:41.880] It was it could have been the highest. [25:41.880 --> 25:42.880] It was. [25:42.880 --> 25:44.880] God awful. [25:44.880 --> 25:47.880] Two 30 in the morning and it was. [25:47.880 --> 25:51.880] Like a mouth noise that I made. [25:51.880 --> 25:54.880] And first of all, how do I feel about mouth noises? [25:54.880 --> 25:55.880] You hate them. [25:55.880 --> 25:56.880] Oh my gosh. [25:56.880 --> 25:57.880] I hate them so much. [25:57.880 --> 26:00.880] Like so, so much when people are eating and they do them. [26:00.880 --> 26:03.880] But it was like, it was like this. [26:03.880 --> 26:06.880] Like that noise right there. [26:06.880 --> 26:07.880] Okay. [26:07.880 --> 26:14.880] But you kept playing it over and over and over again because you were trying to silence it or clip it. [26:14.880 --> 26:16.880] But literally it was like 15 times. [26:16.880 --> 26:18.880] That was early in my editing days too. [26:18.880 --> 26:19.880] So I didn't know what I was doing. [26:19.880 --> 26:20.880] Two 30 in the morning. [26:20.880 --> 26:21.880] Yeah. [26:21.880 --> 26:23.880] That's why it took till two 30 in the morning to do that kind of stuff. [26:23.880 --> 26:24.880] Two 30 in the morning. [26:24.880 --> 26:28.880] And I'm hearing this mouth noise 15 times. [26:28.880 --> 26:31.880] And I was like, for the love of God. [26:31.880 --> 26:34.880] You were like, don't yell at me. [26:34.880 --> 26:36.880] You're just laying there and sleeping. [26:36.880 --> 26:38.880] And I was like, do you know where? [26:38.880 --> 26:39.880] Yeah. [26:39.880 --> 26:41.880] So those were some of the conversations in the. [26:41.880 --> 26:43.880] The communication was nasty at that time. [26:43.880 --> 26:44.880] Like it was. [26:44.880 --> 26:45.880] It was. [26:45.880 --> 26:47.880] It was rough. [26:47.880 --> 26:52.880] And we got into those conversations of like where you would feel. [26:52.880 --> 26:54.880] Well, I don't want to say you would feel. [26:54.880 --> 26:57.880] How would you feel that I was being. [26:57.880 --> 26:58.880] With the podcast. [26:58.880 --> 26:59.880] Well, first off. [26:59.880 --> 27:06.880] I felt a lot of pressure that for some reason I heard and I felt that we had to deliver our [27:06.880 --> 27:09.880] episodes exactly at the same time. [27:09.880 --> 27:15.880] Every single week or whatever it was to the to the time to the day, you know, which meant [27:15.880 --> 27:20.880] after I recorded it, I had immediately go into editing mode and producing mode. [27:20.880 --> 27:21.880] I had to go in one swoop. [27:21.880 --> 27:23.880] Yeah, you would not. [27:23.880 --> 27:24.880] Well, take a break that night. [27:24.880 --> 27:27.880] And I also was afraid that using the old computer. [27:27.880 --> 27:28.880] Oh my God. [27:28.880 --> 27:29.880] That computer. [27:29.880 --> 27:30.880] It's still. [27:30.880 --> 27:31.880] Yes. [27:31.880 --> 27:32.880] The old data. [27:32.880 --> 27:33.880] Is this still there? [27:33.880 --> 27:34.880] It's still down there in the little cubby hole. [27:34.880 --> 27:35.880] Yeah, it's still down there. [27:35.880 --> 27:36.880] It's cave now. [27:36.880 --> 27:37.880] It's a little too. [27:37.880 --> 27:38.880] It's too. [27:38.880 --> 27:41.880] As I put a little gravestone on it now, but it still has the files on it still. [27:41.880 --> 27:42.880] But anyways. [27:42.880 --> 27:47.880] I was afraid that like, like my biggest fear when it comes to eating this kind of stuff, even [27:47.880 --> 27:51.880] to this day is having files just vanishingly vanishing away. [27:51.880 --> 27:52.880] Right. [27:53.880 --> 27:55.880] Getting deleted, corrupt, corrupted, whatever, puff gone. [27:55.880 --> 28:01.680] So what I have to do now is I'm over OCD when it comes to saving files that I have three [28:01.680 --> 28:03.240] different places I save files at. [28:03.240 --> 28:07.880] I save it on one big hard drive, one small hard drive, and on the computer drive itself. [28:07.880 --> 28:09.880] So I'm saving them different places. [28:09.880 --> 28:16.880] And back then I was afraid that the computer would just crash in the file be deleted before [28:16.880 --> 28:18.880] I got a chance to get it up to the media host. [28:18.880 --> 28:19.880] Yeah. [28:19.880 --> 28:20.880] So I'm like, why better? [28:21.880 --> 28:22.880] It's like, it's like, I want to get this. [28:22.880 --> 28:23.880] It's almost like it's a expiring. [28:23.880 --> 28:29.880] So I had a rust job on the whole podcast, rushing out that same night, feeling that. [28:29.880 --> 28:34.880] If I didn't get it out that night, the episode would just be gone and I have to go to the, [28:34.880 --> 28:38.880] to the, uh, what do you call it, the call shame where you have to ask Christine, hey, honey, [28:38.880 --> 28:39.880] that episode got deleted. [28:39.880 --> 28:40.880] And I don't know. [28:40.880 --> 28:44.880] I tried to get out there, but the computer ate it and it's gone. [28:44.880 --> 28:45.880] Right. [28:46.880 --> 28:53.880] So the pressure that that put on the relationship was pretty extreme because you have, you know, [28:53.880 --> 28:57.520] first of all, we would have to wait until the kids went to bed because they were young and [28:57.520 --> 29:01.440] they were loud and we needed it really quiet in the household. [29:01.440 --> 29:04.560] So that was, you know, challenge number one. [29:04.560 --> 29:09.720] Second challenge was it just started late in the day after we'd already been through our [29:09.720 --> 29:10.720] weekend. [29:10.720 --> 29:17.520] I was mentally trying to transition into work mode, but for you, because you work nights, [29:17.520 --> 29:21.960] you were just getting into your, your flow and it was like, no big deal. [29:21.960 --> 29:23.840] And so we had that. [29:23.840 --> 29:29.080] And then it was this, I have to edit everything and get it out tonight, which came in conflict [29:29.080 --> 29:32.240] with my ability to sleep. [29:32.240 --> 29:39.560] And then if things didn't go well while you were editing, how often that happened? [29:39.560 --> 29:45.520] Every single week, then you're, you know, F bombs and this and that. [29:45.520 --> 29:52.280] And like, it was, it was really challenging when I would be like fast asleep and, you know, [29:52.280 --> 29:57.280] there was a part of this time when I still had my apartment. [29:57.280 --> 29:59.440] It wasn't like right before the wedding. [29:59.440 --> 30:02.480] It was like in the midst of wedding planning. [30:02.480 --> 30:08.560] And there were times when we would finish recording and I'd be like, bye, love you. [30:08.560 --> 30:16.760] I'll see you on next Saturday or whatever, because I knew that if I stayed, I would get [30:16.760 --> 30:17.760] no sleep. [30:17.760 --> 30:18.760] And that was really difficult. [30:18.760 --> 30:23.160] I, you know, and I want to say I'm sorry for that, you know, it's, it's one of those [30:23.160 --> 30:27.360] things where it was learning curve for me, trying to figure this things out, figure out [30:27.360 --> 30:31.720] the dynamic between both of us, trying to figure out what worked the workflow. [30:31.720 --> 30:35.600] I mean, early on the podcasting journey, I put every podcast or like goes through this [30:35.680 --> 30:41.120] is where they're trying to figure out their flow, trying to figure out their own show and [30:41.120 --> 30:43.280] trying to figure out how to piece it all together. [30:43.280 --> 30:47.200] And, and I think that when you're starting out, like we were starting out, I told you [30:47.200 --> 30:51.600] at the very beginning that I didn't know if we were even going to continue doing this. [30:51.600 --> 30:56.240] It was going to be like a fun little, little moment in time where we try to podcast, you [30:56.240 --> 30:59.040] know, and, and I said, well, we can do this. [30:59.040 --> 31:03.080] And I didn't want to spend a ton of money on all this gear and equipment and stuff. [31:03.080 --> 31:05.000] You just didn't want to spend a ton of money. [31:05.000 --> 31:05.880] That's true. [31:05.880 --> 31:06.640] That is very true. [31:06.640 --> 31:07.200] That is very true. [31:07.200 --> 31:10.560] But I didn't want to spend a ton of money because I didn't know that we were going to like it. [31:10.560 --> 31:13.520] It's like, it's like, if you're going to try playing golf for the first time, you're not [31:13.520 --> 31:18.320] going to buy a $20,000 set of golf clubs, you're going to buy that you might rent a club or [31:18.320 --> 31:21.320] borrow clubs from a friend or something like that, just to get, you know, to see if you [31:21.320 --> 31:24.480] even like it, get your feet wet and play with it and see. [31:24.480 --> 31:30.360] But, you know, I know some people would jump in with, you know, thousands of dollars invested [31:30.360 --> 31:33.520] in the thing and I'm not liking it and they quit and they, you know, either sell the stuff [31:33.520 --> 31:35.000] or give it all away. [31:35.000 --> 31:36.200] I didn't want to do that. [31:36.200 --> 31:38.640] I want to try it and just see what happens. [31:38.640 --> 31:43.680] But one of the things that we were really good about and I'm proud of this is that we've [31:43.680 --> 31:48.680] never got into a fight on the air. [31:48.680 --> 31:51.280] Like we weren't if we did, we deleted it, I'm sure. [31:51.280 --> 31:52.280] Right. [31:52.280 --> 31:57.760] But I mean, there might have been a time or two where we'd like, I'd stop talking and you'd [31:57.760 --> 32:00.760] look at me and you'd know that I was pissed off. [32:00.760 --> 32:05.000] And so you would stop recording the episode. [32:05.000 --> 32:12.680] But as much as we bickered behind the scenes and as rough as things were, we really did try [32:12.680 --> 32:16.400] to put that aside to produce a good quality episode. [32:16.400 --> 32:22.800] And I think that's where it's really important for co for co hosts to be on the same page [32:22.800 --> 32:26.440] is like, it's this mentality that I use in my job too. [32:26.440 --> 32:33.240] It's like disagree privately behind closed doors and support one another publicly. [32:33.240 --> 32:37.120] And so like today, we're kind of pulling the curtain back and letting people know a little [32:37.120 --> 32:38.800] bit of our journey. [32:38.800 --> 32:47.600] But for the most part, when you listen to our podcast, other than our snark, which we like [32:47.600 --> 32:52.400] we're snarky to each other a little bit and we kind of jab at each other just a little, [32:52.400 --> 32:58.720] but it's not in a way that's designed to like cut the other person down to make you [32:58.720 --> 33:06.200] feel like you're not important, like we'll make little jabs at each other. [33:06.200 --> 33:13.680] But it's like to the point of where we know it's not pushing on the other person's insecurity, [33:13.680 --> 33:14.680] if that makes sense. [33:14.680 --> 33:15.680] That does make sense. [33:15.680 --> 33:21.840] And going on that point, I would say what makes a really good co hosted show is different [33:21.840 --> 33:27.800] personalities, because if you have two people that are exactly the same, agreeing with exactly [33:27.800 --> 33:29.560] the same thing, guess what? [33:29.560 --> 33:31.600] One of you does not need to be there. [33:31.600 --> 33:32.600] Right. [33:32.600 --> 33:37.400] So what makes shows really intriguing to listen to is a little bit of that disagreeing, a [33:37.400 --> 33:41.360] little bit of that conversation, a little bit of like, well, what's your opinion on that? [33:41.360 --> 33:43.800] My opinion is this, you're opinions different than that. [33:43.800 --> 33:48.000] Let's discuss that makes for a great show, especially a co hosted show. [33:48.000 --> 33:49.000] I agree. [33:49.000 --> 33:57.600] I think that goes to being authentic and maintaining authenticity is by bringing in that like [33:57.600 --> 34:04.720] vulnerability and being yourselves, it allows for the show to be multi dimensional. [34:04.720 --> 34:10.400] Because like you said, if if you both have the same opinions on things, then you don't [34:10.400 --> 34:12.960] want, you don't want to just talk into a mirror. [34:12.960 --> 34:14.720] I mean, well, maybe some people do. [34:14.720 --> 34:15.720] Yeah. [34:15.720 --> 34:17.320] But look, hey, look, a good looking. [34:17.320 --> 34:18.320] Right. [34:18.320 --> 34:25.080] But then it's, I mean, it's kind of boring and it's like, yeah, okay, sure. [34:25.080 --> 34:32.960] Uh huh, versus, you know, helping to keep things lively and it's interesting because who were [34:32.960 --> 34:33.960] we talking about? [34:33.960 --> 34:38.520] It was, I think it was just an episode, a week or two ago for our show. [34:38.520 --> 34:44.360] We were talking about like the dating journey and how, oh yeah, it was our episode with [34:44.360 --> 34:53.920] Eric, McEw, and we were talking about his dating, the AI based dating app and how it [34:53.920 --> 34:56.960] helps to find people that have like similar interests. [34:56.960 --> 35:02.480] And I told him several times on that podcast is if we were to try and use his app, I don't [35:02.480 --> 35:08.360] think you and I would have ever matched because our interests were so different and diverse. [35:08.360 --> 35:11.760] But why is it that we were? [35:11.760 --> 35:16.600] Uh, because we do. [35:16.600 --> 35:26.920] I know, but it's interesting because maybe it's that we have like a common belief in just being [35:26.920 --> 35:29.080] a good person to one another. [35:29.080 --> 35:30.080] Yes. [35:30.080 --> 35:31.080] Well said. [35:31.080 --> 35:35.680] That's why even the podcast, babe, you know, I think so, but, you know, when we think about [35:35.680 --> 35:42.800] what makes us work as co-hosts, we keep each other being authentic. [35:42.800 --> 35:43.800] That is true. [35:43.800 --> 35:44.800] Our show is very authentic. [35:44.800 --> 35:49.760] We don't try to like flow, you know, blow smoke or how many fake fluff and I ended episode [35:49.760 --> 35:54.400] on this recently about people that like have, they're all fake and there's nothing real [35:54.400 --> 35:55.400] to the show. [35:55.400 --> 36:02.320] And it's all a bunch of like fiction, fake, you know, nonsense and, and it's where that [36:02.320 --> 36:06.560] if the audience finds out that you are been lying to them the entire time, you're just [36:06.560 --> 36:12.840] a phony baloney, a blow and smoke the entire time, trust is something that it's very hard [36:12.840 --> 36:16.080] to get and very easy to destroy. [36:16.080 --> 36:17.080] Right. [36:17.080 --> 36:18.080] And you know, that was profound. [36:18.080 --> 36:21.880] Well, hey, you know what, hey, that's how I roll, babe. [36:21.880 --> 36:22.880] Yeah. [36:22.880 --> 36:23.880] But it's true. [36:23.880 --> 36:25.600] You know, you don't want to lose that trust. [36:25.600 --> 36:31.160] And especially with a co-host too, like you were the co-host, you should trust each other to [36:31.160 --> 36:37.840] do the job and bring on and deliver an amazing show, especially a show for the listening [36:37.840 --> 36:42.080] audience or even viewing audience if you're on YouTube too, that they're going to get [36:42.080 --> 36:43.080] something out of it. [36:43.080 --> 36:46.320] And you always think every time you create an episode, what are they going to get out of [36:46.320 --> 36:47.320] it? [36:47.320 --> 36:49.000] And is this going to deliver on all fronts? [36:49.000 --> 36:50.000] Is it going to be entertaining? [36:50.000 --> 36:51.480] Is it going to be educational? [36:51.480 --> 36:56.600] Is it going to be, you know, a fun show that you are proud of? [36:56.600 --> 37:03.360] And I think that that is one of the things that has allowed us to be successful, if you [37:03.360 --> 37:13.200] would call us successful, I would, is that we both have this priority of producing content [37:13.200 --> 37:17.000] that does something positive in the world. [37:17.000 --> 37:20.680] So we want to make people think. [37:20.680 --> 37:24.120] We want to add value to their life. [37:24.120 --> 37:31.200] I don't think there's ever been an episode that you and I have produced just because we [37:31.200 --> 37:33.760] wanted to just get on the microphone and talk. [37:33.760 --> 37:37.560] Like there are some people that do that and it's like, well, let's just talk. [37:37.560 --> 37:41.960] I don't think we have a moral to the story for everything we talk about, but we have a purpose [37:41.960 --> 37:45.040] for why we produce it. [37:45.040 --> 37:50.800] You know, whether it's an interview, we want to be able to help that person promote it. [37:50.800 --> 37:58.400] Or like, I think we talked about even this week coming up on our show, the idea of not [37:58.400 --> 38:04.560] featuring an interview and actually making it like all about us and what's our journey [38:04.560 --> 38:10.280] to get here because we haven't actually ever shared each of our stories and how we really [38:10.280 --> 38:12.720] found each other and what we went through. [38:12.720 --> 38:17.320] And the purpose of that is so our listeners can connect with us. [38:17.320 --> 38:26.080] And so that's like what I'm getting into is our authenticity and our desire to be positive [38:26.080 --> 38:31.680] and make an impact on people, I think helps us to stay bonded in our co-hosting. [38:31.680 --> 38:32.680] That's true. [38:32.680 --> 38:36.160] And it doesn't always have to be just strictly an interview. [38:36.160 --> 38:39.880] I know a lot of shows that do have interviewed the interview guests. [38:39.880 --> 38:45.280] The sad thing is that you really don't get to know much about the host themselves because [38:45.280 --> 38:50.480] they'll say, hey, welcome to the Joe Blow show where we interview cool people about cool [38:50.480 --> 38:51.480] things. [38:51.480 --> 38:56.320] I'm Joe and my guest today is Jack, hey, Jack, and then he goes straight into Jack's stuff. [38:56.320 --> 39:00.800] And you know, you know nothing about Joe, the host in my theory here. [39:00.800 --> 39:04.920] So what we try to do is make sure that we have equal time on the mics. [39:04.920 --> 39:10.400] And also to the audience, they get to know equally about us, you know, as a team and as [39:10.400 --> 39:13.600] a couple and as people and as family and everything else too. [39:13.600 --> 39:19.080] Because I think that's part of life and us in our journey is equally important as to [39:19.080 --> 39:20.600] whoever we bring on. [39:20.600 --> 39:24.720] And sometimes I've been told by some of the listeners that a lot of the guests are not [39:24.720 --> 39:25.880] fans of. [39:25.880 --> 39:26.880] They rather hear us. [39:26.880 --> 39:27.880] They like us. [39:27.880 --> 39:28.880] They rather hear us. [39:28.880 --> 39:32.840] They tell us that in person, like we like hearing you and if a guest comes on, we'll skip [39:32.840 --> 39:35.600] through them, you know, listen a little bit, I'll skip through them, but we'd rather hear [39:35.600 --> 39:36.600] you guys. [39:36.600 --> 39:40.800] So that's where us is so important as part of the podcast. [39:40.800 --> 39:41.800] Yeah, absolutely. [39:42.800 --> 39:47.400] Well, I know that, you know, we've been talking a long time, but before we wrap it up, one [39:47.400 --> 39:55.160] of the things I really did want to talk about is how we overcome challenges as co-hosts and [39:55.160 --> 39:56.760] how we navigate around them. [39:56.760 --> 40:04.600] Because if you look at our journey and we're over 180 plus episodes into our podcasting journey [40:04.600 --> 40:11.440] and four and a half years of living and living through a global pandemic, multiple [40:11.440 --> 40:20.920] sicknesses, family tragedies, deaths, lots of different things going on with the kids is [40:20.920 --> 40:24.160] how do you think we've navigated challenges? [40:24.160 --> 40:29.600] I'm talking in general or in the podcast specifically in the podcast specifically. [40:29.600 --> 40:36.000] Well, I think what I had to learn to do is to say, it's okay if you take a break. [40:36.000 --> 40:39.240] It's okay to take long pauses and it's okay. [40:39.240 --> 40:43.280] I know some people will disagree with me and say, no, I'll never take a break. [40:43.280 --> 40:47.440] I'm doing it every Monday, every Tuesday, every whatever day it is and I'm nonstop, keep [40:47.440 --> 40:48.440] on going. [40:48.440 --> 40:53.000] And I even tried for a minute there thinking the same logic and I would insert like those [40:53.000 --> 40:58.360] little what they called them like filler episodes or a little like at an episode that was basically [40:58.360 --> 41:03.320] like a recap episode of an older episode and just kind of put that together as a package [41:03.320 --> 41:06.080] just kind of fill in that week that week. [41:06.080 --> 41:11.240] And I was doing that for a hot minute thinking that's what needed to happen. [41:11.240 --> 41:16.360] But then I realized that, you know, there's podcasts that I listen to that I subscribe to [41:16.360 --> 41:18.320] where they take breaks out of no reason. [41:18.320 --> 41:24.600] They come back and they're back all of a sudden great and they show up my player. [41:24.600 --> 41:28.160] We've taken some long breaks before their show and that's okay. [41:28.160 --> 41:30.760] In fact, the last break we took. [41:30.760 --> 41:38.040] I remember that a listener told me out of the blue randomly said, oh, hey, yes, you're back [41:38.040 --> 41:39.040] to podcasting again. [41:39.040 --> 41:40.480] I should it should have my phone. [41:40.480 --> 41:41.800] Like, oh, yeah, we did. [41:41.800 --> 41:44.440] We just got to be upset out like yesterday or whatever day it was. [41:44.440 --> 41:47.840] And this was after taking like a couple months break, you know, out of nowhere. [41:47.840 --> 41:51.880] So even though you take a break, we've never taken a couple months break. [41:51.880 --> 41:57.960] Whatever it was that the gap basically I'm saying is that if they never like removed your your [41:57.960 --> 42:05.040] podcast from their phone player from the podcast app, when you come back, it automatically [42:05.040 --> 42:08.160] will pop up in their feed is like, Oh, check this out. [42:08.160 --> 42:11.760] Almost as if it's a brand new show all over again. [42:11.760 --> 42:13.080] Boom, there it is. [42:13.080 --> 42:18.560] So, you know, I'm not taking long breaks, but it's okay to take a break every once in [42:18.560 --> 42:19.560] a while. [42:19.560 --> 42:21.360] It's okay to publish on different days. [42:21.360 --> 42:25.040] It doesn't always have to be Monday at six o'clock or whatever it has to be. [42:25.040 --> 42:26.040] It does not have to do that. [42:26.040 --> 42:27.040] It's your show. [42:27.040 --> 42:30.040] You can change the change the format however you want. [42:30.040 --> 42:36.560] But what did it take Chris for you to get to that realization that you could release the [42:36.560 --> 42:39.600] pressure on me because let's be real. [42:39.600 --> 42:47.720] That pressure to produce quality content every week was for me. [42:47.720 --> 42:49.800] It was suffocating and we've talked about this. [42:49.800 --> 42:51.880] So this isn't news. [42:51.880 --> 42:55.640] And I know we've we've worked through these feelings about it. [42:56.480 --> 43:01.240] What did it take for you to come to that realization? [43:01.240 --> 43:04.640] I saw that you were struggling and I saw that it was really upsetting you. [43:04.640 --> 43:10.440] And I saw that there were points where I could tell that you wanted to end the show and that [43:10.440 --> 43:16.120] you felt like it was too much and I was too demanding and I think that keeping, especially [43:16.120 --> 43:20.200] with all the different things you had going on with your work, with the kids and your different [43:20.200 --> 43:24.000] things and then doing the wedding business and then doing the consulting thing you do and [43:24.000 --> 43:29.040] then everything else and all the different things and stuff and I can see where it could [43:29.040 --> 43:33.960] be a lot of pressure to try to deliver another another thing on your place. [43:33.960 --> 43:36.480] It's just another thing you got to do. [43:36.480 --> 43:41.000] And the podcast, although it is a fun thing, it is still a hobby, you know, and in the [43:41.000 --> 43:48.960] day, it's not a, you know, revenue, it's not a revenue generating thing. [43:48.960 --> 43:49.960] It's not like a job. [43:49.960 --> 43:56.280] Now, if you have sponsors on your show and you have deadlines that you have to meet, then [43:56.280 --> 43:58.280] if you have contracts, you were written out. [43:58.280 --> 43:59.280] Right. [43:59.280 --> 44:00.280] That's a different story. [44:00.280 --> 44:01.280] It's a totally different story. [44:01.280 --> 44:10.280] And I would have oriented differently if we had a legal obligation, but you know, it was [44:10.280 --> 44:19.240] months of me trying to get you to understand why it was, I was lacking motivation and what [44:19.240 --> 44:25.460] we had to learn, what you had to learn through this journey was the more pressure you put [44:25.460 --> 44:35.160] on me to show up and to be a quote unquote good co-host, the more resistant I was because [44:35.160 --> 44:41.720] I felt like I had no choice and that I was being forced. [44:41.720 --> 44:48.880] But the minute that you stepped back and you were like, okay, if we don't produce an episode [44:48.880 --> 44:52.520] every week, I'm not going to die. [44:52.520 --> 44:53.520] It's okay. [44:53.520 --> 44:54.520] Yeah. [44:54.520 --> 44:58.200] And you, but it took you a lot of personal work. [44:58.200 --> 44:59.200] And let's be real. [44:59.200 --> 45:05.920] Like you did some deep work on that for several months because it was when we've talked about [45:05.920 --> 45:13.800] it, you had to get over this feeling of being rejected, but because in your mind, you were [45:13.800 --> 45:17.640] telling me like it felt like rejection when I didn't want to podcast with you. [45:17.640 --> 45:19.160] But that wasn't what I was saying. [45:19.160 --> 45:24.360] It was, I have this other like really heavy stuff that's going on. [45:24.360 --> 45:32.840] And we had to figure out how to continue talking through that and to not just put the podcast [45:32.840 --> 45:38.440] on the shelf and forget it and not not engage in the conversation. [45:38.440 --> 45:41.000] We had to keep talking through that whole process. [45:41.000 --> 45:49.280] And what it ended up doing was created this really nice space in our relationship to say, [45:49.280 --> 45:53.840] we give each other permission to just be tired. [45:53.840 --> 46:00.320] And you gave me permission to be tired of podcasting without interpreting it as I hated [46:00.320 --> 46:01.320] podcasting. [46:01.320 --> 46:05.880] It was like, yeah, you, because it used to be the same, right? [46:05.880 --> 46:11.480] It used to be that whenever I would want to take a week off, what was the message that [46:11.480 --> 46:12.960] you were hearing in your head? [46:12.960 --> 46:14.160] Oh, I hate this. [46:14.160 --> 46:15.320] I hate this so much. [46:15.320 --> 46:16.920] And I don't want to do this ever again. [46:16.920 --> 46:22.720] And I'm so over at Chris, you know, like, you know, it almost reminded me of when I was [46:22.720 --> 46:27.800] younger and I would want to play a board game with my brothers, you know, my brother. [46:27.800 --> 46:31.280] I had one brother and he like, yeah, it set all up. [46:31.280 --> 46:34.720] So I'd get the board game out, get all the pieces of monopoly money, get it all divided [46:34.720 --> 46:35.720] out. [46:36.200 --> 46:38.320] Not even one minute into the game. [46:38.320 --> 46:39.920] He's like, yeah, I'm over it. [46:39.920 --> 46:40.920] I'm done. [46:40.920 --> 46:41.920] I'm done. [46:41.920 --> 46:42.920] I'm like, what? [46:42.920 --> 46:43.920] And I used to be so mad. [46:43.920 --> 46:45.080] I felt like I set everything up. [46:45.080 --> 46:46.080] I wanted to play with him. [46:46.080 --> 46:47.080] I was super excited to play. [46:47.080 --> 46:48.880] And then he's like, one minute into it. [46:48.880 --> 46:49.880] I'm over this. [46:49.880 --> 46:51.120] I want to do something else. [46:51.120 --> 46:52.120] It frustrated me. [46:52.120 --> 46:55.440] It kind of took me back a little bit of that when you would say those kind of things. [46:55.440 --> 46:57.240] I feel like, Oh, I'm all excited to do the podcast. [46:57.240 --> 46:58.400] I get everything ready. [46:58.400 --> 46:59.400] Let's roll. [46:59.400 --> 47:02.400] And then I couldn't do the show without you, just like I couldn't play the board game [47:02.400 --> 47:08.680] without a person to play with the same concept, the same feeling all over again, and maybe [47:08.680 --> 47:13.920] very upset and it felt like a personal dig more just on the podcast itself, but more like [47:13.920 --> 47:19.720] on me as a person that I was not good enough for you to play with. [47:19.720 --> 47:20.720] Right. [47:20.720 --> 47:21.720] Yes. [47:21.720 --> 47:25.760] And that's a really good point because it really gets down to the crux of this. [47:25.760 --> 47:32.680] And I think that this is what can be the death of co-hosted podcasts is if you don't [47:32.680 --> 47:40.640] acknowledge and understand the triggers of your co-host and try. [47:40.640 --> 47:45.880] I don't want to say like walk on eggshells because that's not what we do at all, but validate [47:45.880 --> 47:47.920] that that's a trigger. [47:47.920 --> 47:54.480] Give your partner the opportunity to feel whatever emotion that is and then speak truth [47:54.480 --> 47:59.800] into that space and kind of interrupt that negative tape in their head. [47:59.800 --> 48:04.120] And so we had to get to the point where it's like, hey, Chris, I'm not rejecting you. [48:04.120 --> 48:05.600] I don't hate the podcast. [48:05.600 --> 48:12.800] I actually don't even hate podcasting, but the reality is I'm really burnt out right now [48:12.800 --> 48:14.440] and I need some breathing room. [48:14.440 --> 48:19.240] And right now, this is the only thing that I can think of that can come off of my plate. [48:19.240 --> 48:23.400] And then you coming to the point of being like, how about we just set it aside and when you're [48:23.400 --> 48:25.280] ready, we'll pick it back up. [48:25.280 --> 48:29.880] Even that message by itself, when I was in the midst of, I was, I mean, I went through [48:29.880 --> 48:32.720] some really dark stuff last year at work, right? [48:32.720 --> 48:41.680] I mean, it was really dark and heavy and we don't talk a lot about that and the impact [48:41.680 --> 48:51.360] that had on my physical health and my mental health, but in that moment, I think you realized [48:51.360 --> 48:54.280] it was about survival for me. [48:54.280 --> 49:04.360] And I was, I was literally on the brink and you just said, like, at the end of the day, [49:04.360 --> 49:08.120] I choose you over the podcast and for me, that was all I needed. [49:08.120 --> 49:09.760] And, and so we did take a beat. [49:09.760 --> 49:15.040] I think there was one point in time where we took like a full six weeks off, which I never [49:15.040 --> 49:17.320] thought we would do. [49:17.400 --> 49:21.640] And then I just said to you, Hey, can we do a podcast? [49:21.640 --> 49:23.640] And you were like, what? [49:23.640 --> 49:24.640] Yeah. [49:24.640 --> 49:25.640] Sure. [49:25.640 --> 49:28.280] Like, okay, like right now. [49:28.280 --> 49:34.080] And then I came back to it and we've been back at it and my attitude has been different [49:34.080 --> 49:40.800] about it because I feel that it wasn't a demand anymore. [49:40.800 --> 49:46.560] It was a, you know, something that we could do together and have fun doing. [49:46.560 --> 49:52.880] And so, you know, I know this is probably a longer episode than you had intended, but [49:52.880 --> 50:00.080] it really does speak to the importance of the co-hosting dynamic and choosing well. [50:00.080 --> 50:03.720] You know, some people I think they'll just be like to their buddy, like, Hey, wouldn't [50:03.720 --> 50:05.800] you podcast with me? [50:05.800 --> 50:13.040] And they don't really think about like, what is that going to actually look like six, 10, [50:13.120 --> 50:17.560] 12, 24, 60 months down the line. [50:17.560 --> 50:18.560] Right. [50:18.560 --> 50:24.480] And also a big one is probably the main one is also scheduling because everybody has got [50:24.480 --> 50:27.360] different schedules, different lives in some places. [50:27.360 --> 50:30.560] They live in different parts of the country, which is like three hours apart, eight hours [50:30.560 --> 50:35.520] apart, 10 hours apart, you're trying to do a co-hosted show with them and figure out their [50:35.520 --> 50:40.120] different lives because everybody, I mean, assuming everybody's got a job and assuming [50:40.120 --> 50:43.760] everyone's got school or they've got kids and they've got things they've got going [50:43.760 --> 50:46.680] on in their personal little bubble of the world. [50:46.680 --> 50:49.960] And then you try to bring in somebody else and try to merge those bubbles together. [50:49.960 --> 50:53.120] It works for us because we were here in the same house together. [50:53.120 --> 50:54.960] But even then it was hard. [50:54.960 --> 50:55.960] That's true. [50:55.960 --> 50:56.960] It's true. [50:56.960 --> 51:01.360] So you can imagine if we both lived in different areas of the country and we tried to do [51:01.360 --> 51:02.360] this. [51:02.360 --> 51:03.360] No. [51:03.360 --> 51:04.360] How was it possible? [51:04.360 --> 51:05.360] Sorry. [51:05.360 --> 51:06.360] We would have made it for like one year. [51:06.360 --> 51:11.200] You know, I think the key takeaways here are the pieces of advice that I would have are [51:11.200 --> 51:18.400] to choose your co-host wisely and I would say that you did. [51:18.400 --> 51:19.400] Okay. [51:19.400 --> 51:21.400] If you say so. [51:21.400 --> 51:22.400] Yeah. [51:22.400 --> 51:23.400] You chose wisely. [51:23.400 --> 51:31.000] And then I think that the other thing I would say is to give lots of grace to your co-hosting [51:31.000 --> 51:38.920] partner because in the middle of podcasting life is happening too. [51:38.920 --> 51:42.000] And so we have to be able to flex around that. [51:42.000 --> 51:43.000] What's your advice? [51:43.000 --> 51:44.000] Yeah. [51:44.000 --> 51:47.680] Like I said, it's basically the scheduling figure out the schedules and also figure out [51:47.680 --> 51:50.080] like who's role is what on the show. [51:50.080 --> 51:53.240] I guess I mean, you know, nuggets about advice and going for hours. [51:53.240 --> 51:56.840] But I think a lot of people too and a big one I just thought about just now is really [51:56.840 --> 51:59.800] if it's a co-hosted show with two people on the same show. [51:59.800 --> 52:04.240] It's both persons people show because they're co-host because yeah, it's got how it works, [52:04.240 --> 52:05.240] I guess. [52:05.240 --> 52:07.400] You got to figure out who really owns the show. [52:07.400 --> 52:13.080] Like who owns if things go south because it's almost like a what's the thing for marriage [52:13.080 --> 52:18.240] when you don't want to like get divorced community property, no, no, it's when you sign and get [52:18.240 --> 52:19.240] married the. [52:19.240 --> 52:20.240] I can't. [52:20.240 --> 52:21.240] Preen up. [52:21.240 --> 52:22.240] Preen up. [52:22.240 --> 52:23.240] Yeah. [52:23.240 --> 52:27.040] You basically have to have like a preen up for your podcast when you do a co-hosting show. [52:27.040 --> 52:29.720] Because I'm just saying if a show does get popular. [52:29.720 --> 52:31.880] You don't have that because we're married. [52:31.880 --> 52:32.880] That's what happens. [52:32.880 --> 52:33.880] And you get married. [52:33.880 --> 52:34.880] You get part of the podcast. [52:34.880 --> 52:38.240] Oh, so this is for non-married co-hosting partners. [52:38.240 --> 52:39.240] Correct. [52:39.240 --> 52:40.240] Okay. [52:40.240 --> 52:46.180] So say two buddies, John and Jack and Jock and Jock and Jock and Jock and Jock and Jock [52:46.180 --> 52:47.180] Strap show. [52:47.180 --> 52:48.180] Yes. [52:48.180 --> 52:52.600] Those guys would have to figure out, you know, seriously have a conversation of like who [52:52.600 --> 52:58.760] owns what part of the show because in the event the show does make some money and to get [52:58.760 --> 53:00.880] somewhat famous. [53:00.880 --> 53:05.240] And if Jock or Jock Strap or whoever doesn't want to be a part of the show anymore for [53:05.240 --> 53:06.240] whatever reason. [53:06.240 --> 53:07.240] Yeah. [53:07.240 --> 53:08.240] Where does that money go? [53:08.240 --> 53:09.240] Who gets ownership of the show? [53:09.240 --> 53:12.880] Does this die out split off or or I've heard this too? [53:12.880 --> 53:13.880] That's morbid. [53:13.880 --> 53:14.880] I know. [53:14.880 --> 53:19.400] Or I've heard this is that some shows are getting bought out by other shows that will [53:19.400 --> 53:21.000] just buy them up or get bought. [53:21.000 --> 53:22.000] You can sell your podcast. [53:22.000 --> 53:23.000] It's even a thing. [53:23.000 --> 53:25.240] You can sell our show if you wanted to. [53:25.240 --> 53:28.560] But if you do the sell the show, you know, who gets the profit from it? [53:28.560 --> 53:29.560] It's like splitting a house. [53:29.560 --> 53:33.880] You say you and your girlfriend, you know, bought a house together. [53:33.880 --> 53:37.080] You know, who's going to sell it and split it when you when you leave or you break up? [53:37.080 --> 53:38.080] How's that work? [53:38.080 --> 53:39.080] Okay. [53:39.080 --> 53:43.480] So I'm going to rein this back in because you just went squirrel. [53:43.480 --> 53:46.160] Well, full-blown squirrel here. [53:46.160 --> 53:54.040] I know full squirrel mode, but that is good advice is like knowing clearly who has rights [53:54.040 --> 53:56.040] to what. [53:56.040 --> 54:02.960] I think that that's less of an issue, but only if it's, but it does go back to the roles [54:02.960 --> 54:07.920] and responsibilities like have clear roles, have clear responsibilities and all of that. [54:07.920 --> 54:12.040] And you know, the bottom line is have fun with it. [54:12.040 --> 54:15.640] If you're not having fun with it, you're doing something wrong. [54:15.640 --> 54:16.640] Like it shouldn't be. [54:16.640 --> 54:20.680] It shouldn't feel like a bikini wax every time you sit down from the microphone. [54:20.680 --> 54:21.960] I wouldn't know personally. [54:21.960 --> 54:24.840] I only got a Brazilian walks is what I go in. [54:24.840 --> 54:25.840] All right. [54:25.840 --> 54:27.560] Let me check out that booty. [54:27.560 --> 54:28.560] Okay. [54:28.560 --> 54:30.200] Thank you so much. [54:30.200 --> 54:34.400] But this has been a fantastic episode and I really appreciate you stopping by today to talk [54:34.400 --> 54:39.680] all about the Chris Christine show's dynamic duo podcast and how we make it happen. [54:39.680 --> 54:40.680] Make the magic happen. [54:40.680 --> 54:42.360] Well, thanks so much for having me. [54:42.360 --> 54:48.040] And I look forward to the next podcast episode that we record, which will be tomorrow night. [54:48.040 --> 54:49.040] Tomorrow sometime. [54:49.040 --> 54:50.040] Yeah. [54:50.040 --> 54:51.040] Yeah. [54:51.040 --> 54:52.040] For Chris and Christine show. [54:52.040 --> 54:53.040] Thanks for listening. [54:53.040 --> 54:58.120] If you have any questions or comments, you always can email me at potasticaudio at gmail.com. [54:58.120 --> 55:02.200] Or you know, what you can do is you go straight to the website, which is potasticaudio.com. [55:02.200 --> 55:07.440] I love to hear your feedback and I love all your emails you write in and all your comments [55:07.440 --> 55:09.120] and posts on social media. [55:09.120 --> 55:14.840] I love all that stuff, you know, and thank you so much for listening until next time. [55:14.840 --> 55:15.600] Happy podcasting. Transcription results written to '/home/forge/transcribe2.sonicengage.com/releases/20240207164437' directory
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